Since police officers are so loyal to one another, what leads to the arrest of a fellow police officer?
There are Police Officers who’s job it is to Police the Police. On my Department that squad was called IAD. Sometimes its called the Bureau of Professional Standards.If you call up or come in to complain about Police Misconduct the IAD Officer will fill out a report very similar to a Police Report. They then investigate the claim including checking reports, recordings, witnesses and interviewing the Officer verbally as well as ordering the Officer to explain in writing in a signed legal statement. They investigate each and every case like you probaly think I as a regular Detective investigate every case as you see it on CSI or whatever. They really dig into them.One time I spent ….I shit you not….4 weeks of interviews and writing and re writing statements because a Civilian went in and filled out an official IAD complaint on me. The only of my career. I stopped him on Washington Street near Tucker for parking at the curb (triple parked) and caused a 1 man traffic jam downtown because, and I quote “my bitch ain’t come out the crib yet mutafucka”. I wrote him 1 ticket for “Impeding the flow of traffic” and left. He made a complaint that he felt “intimidated”, “threatened” and “scared” when as I got out of my patrol car to come up and speak to him I put on a pair of leather protective gloves before I walked up to his vehicle. That’s it. I put on gloves and it scared him. 39 year old dude built like a Vin Deisel was “scared” because I put on the same gloves to protect my hands from Aids and needle sticks that I put on at every stop in my career. I think his real objective was he was an ex con and knew that complaints make things like charges and parking tickets go away to avoid scaring the City Attorneys. IAD knew that was bullshit and investigated it like it was the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Eventually declared it “unfounded” but it was still 4 weeks of IAD up my ass with a flashlight I will never get back. For bullshit. So trust me…you have a real problem they will squeal with glee and get right to work.One of 3 things happens. 1. Sustained. The investigator finds the complaint believable, valid and otherwise agrees the violation of Law or Procedure occurred. This will result in disciplinary action in house from a letter of reprimand or Suspension without pay up to firing and Arrest and Prosecution depending on the type and severity of the violation.2. Unfounded. The charge was proven to be false and the Officer acted appropriately. No further action taken in the matter.3. No Determination. The incident cant be proven to have happened or not.All complaints regardless of disposition are kept in the Officers file so if there were say 3 accusations of theft that were No Determination further investigation and surveillance of the Officer would probably result. When I went to interview with the Police board to be promoted to Detective 3rd grade I was directly asked about the incident and asked to explain in great detail about it…even the words UNFOUNDED were stamped across the page in big red letters. I recall a Commissioners comment “Damn…our IAD investigated that bullshit? Well good. I guess ….”We also had what we called a “Goon Squad”. The Goons were IAD cops that were more Proactive..not waiting for civillians to complain. They went hunting for violations. Every Cop I know was “Gooned” every now and then. For example…I’m driving down the road in my Patrol Car. A Hub cap/ wheel cover was missing apparently. I got pulled over by a an Unmarked Cop car…while driving in a Marked Police Car. …which was unique. The Goons proceed to lecture me about looking like a “shit bum” ..and have a little pride and go get that taken care of. No not after this burglary call…now. Take your Patrolman ass down to the garage and get that squared away now.Next time I was gooned was a few years later. Got approved for a Code 40. A 30 min lunch break. Not 30 min to eat once you got your food. Not 30 min after you get there. 30 min from the time you ask if you can get a break to be called back in service. Goons hear me call out on meal break. Come on by to watch and hit their stopwatch. I call back in service 32 min later. I also left the car without my Uniform Cap on. Two write ups and an ass chewing from my Watch Commander.Another time I got a call for a “found wallet”. I go pick it up from a Reality where they say they found it outside on the lawn…..the whole Office is acting nervous and odd. I look at the wallet. Hundreds of dollars cash. No ID except a Blockbuster Card. I count out the money right there in front of the people per procedure then inform my Supervisor on the radio that I have recovered cash…how much and I need it secured in the Precinct Safe. I dont’ think much of it but everyone there is acting really weird staring at me. A bit to interested in a found wallet. So I log in wallet in log book…put wallet in. Even go to Blockbuster to see if they will give me a name. Card says no info is their story. Also acting weird.Next day I look at log book to see if anyone came to safe to get it (IE citizen came in and claimed it and got their cash back). Find Wallet signed out by IAD…cash and all. I inquire from Desk Sgt…What the actual fuck? He says…”IAD integrity checked you”. They apparently pick random Cops that are newish to check like that.Regular Cops don’t arrest regular Cops. Detectives from IAD or in the case of smaller Departments ..Detectives from the State Police or State FBI like the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, SLED, or whatever State agency supplies investigators to investigate Cops. Small Depts don’t have their own IAD so anytime a complaint is made an Outside agency that has a Internal Affairs type Detective come in and handle the complaint.Police are very well Policed. People assume we have no oversight because they don’t show that on TV or the movies…which is where most Americans get their info on how Police supposedly work. Hope this helps give you an idea of how Police are Policed.Also..worth noting…IAD are always higher ranking Cops like Sgt or Lt and have very autonomous powers. They can force any Cop to talk. There is no right to remain silent. If you refuse to answer or are evasive they can fire/suspend you on the spot. If they feel like you’re covering up or lying…instant suspension, taken off the streets, Badge and gun taken until they get their answers. They don’t play games. They don’t do any favors for Cops. In fact most IAD are not exactly hated by regular Cops but they are TOTALLY separate. They don’t make friends with regular Cops…hang out with regular Cops. They won’t be seen at cook outs or Cop bars hanging out with Cops. They have one mission. To Police the Police and if you’re dirty they make it their mission to destroy you. If you are generally a good Cop but make a mistake…they make you pay the price. No exceptions. They’re not our buddies who will give you a pass or a wink. They get promoted by getting Cop Scalps. No scalps ..no promotions no career. They don’t give breaks ever.
How can I avoid disciplinary action on my employment history?
There’s no real “employment history”.That is like a schoolteacher saying to a kid that “this will go down on your permanent record”. You find out later that there’s no big permanent record. In time most things will gloss over.If you have a real, valid reason - like a family emergency - your employer should be kind, understanding and empathetic. The only appropriate response from an employer should be “how can I help you in your time of need?”I am always a fan of asking the question, “What would you have me do?”If they say that you should stay and work instead of helping your family, they are selfish, awful people. You don’t want to work for them.Since they are being terrible, they may not hire you again if you quit. That’s really the only disciplinary action they can threaten - assuming that you don’t have a contract, and that you live in a country with decent employment laws.They are certainly not the only company in the world.Go take care of your family, and consider yourself lucky that you got out of there.
Why isn't death due to disciplinary action considered murder?
Every Homicide is not murder. To categorize it as murder there should be intent . In case of Disciplinary action there is no such intent.it at best may be tried for homicide other than murder (lesser term)
If a teen was to be caught distributing drugs, gave the name of his/her source and the source found out, how would that source react if no disciplinary actions were sought after on his part?
It is hard to predict the reactions of a drug dealer, but they probably would not be good.
What is progressive disciplinary action? I have a written verbal warning. How close am I to being fired?
Depends on your company policy of course.For the most part, its like an impromptu point system, and if you get too many points, you are done. Common steps are verbal warning, written warning, suspension, and termination.Some places won’t move you to the next step unless it is a repeat offense of the same kind you already had. Any workplace will probably reserve the right to skip steps as the severity dictates however. Assaulting a coworker for example would be far beyond just a verbal warning, but being fired the first time you are late would be a bit much too. Typically an offense “rolls off” your record at a year, and if you haven’t done anything else since, you are back to the starting point.At my company, a verbal warning is just a record of an event, and doesn’t prevent you from being promoted. Written or higher have a 6 month stop on any promotions.
Have you been bullied as an adult? How did it affect you?
Yes I have. Within the workplace.I was 18 when this happened so I was considered an adult. I was fresh out of high school and working my first official job.I was a dietary aide in a nursing home kitchen and my coworkers were not friendly people. These people ranged from high school seniors to grumpy old men who were the chefs. It was not a good mix.I tended to stay away from the old guys cause they were like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. However I was the only new hire at the time and I had to settle into a workplace with people who already knew eachother very well.You would think that they would be welcoming but they were the exact opposite. I was a quiet guy who liked to just do his work and go home. I was put on the same work station everynight which was the pots and pans washer. These high school kids would gossip about me, claiming I'm weird or mute. Then the old guys would yell at me at the top of their lungs if I screwed up an order or anything like that.Now below I will list a few examples of the workplace bullying I experienced.This one guy Joe who was trying to be seen as the big shot or jokester of the workplace would torment me day in and day out. He would put me down while also giving me false reassurance as to not go to a manager about his behavior. He one day held his phone up to my ear and played this really awful opera musical really loudly. All my other coworkers were just crowded us around laughing. I told him to stop repeatedly as I was just minding my own business and had to fill out a form. He never listened, I had enough. I turn around and knocked his phone out of his hand. All of a sudden the entire room fills with hostility to me. He threatens that he was gonna fight me. That did not bother me. What did was the fact that not one person took my side when he was tormenting me and harrassing me. When I asked repeatedly to stop. Instead I was met with insults and threats. Even some of them saying that I had a mental disorder. There was no fight or any altercation that happened but they kept this incident over me for a good month before it died down.I used to get called harsh words by the assistant chef which everyone thought was funny, and again nobody stood up for me. I just took it. But I believe this man had a bipolar disorder because he would praise me after 5 minutes. However he would often times threaten me while holding a knife in his hand. It was only until I threatened to report him that he stopped the violent threats but the words and harsh names I still got called.One particular evening I was getting verbally abused by the head chef. I didn't know if I was singled out by him or if he was having a bad day, but it was no excuse for what he did next. All throughout the night i was called the most vile nasty names that I dare not repeat. So much so that even the high school kids were a little unsettled by it. This only escalated throughout the night as the head chef lost his temper with me over the multiple food orders he had to make. I was then screamed at with his face less than 8 inches away from mine right against my ear. I did not know what to do, I still had a job to finish. Management wasn't there. It was thanks to actually one of the high school kids and one of the nurses that passed by that he was reported. However, no disciplinary action was taken against him. And he never apologized to me for what he put me through that night.A newly hired nurse who had a short temper lost it because of a messed up food order and approached me in front of all my work colleagues. There she was swearing and name calling like an unprofessional child. What bothered me about this was nobody around me wanted to step in and help me or tell her to back off. Not the chefs on duty or anyone. I had to stand there and take all her anger for about 2 minutes until she finally went away. When I went to my boss about it the next day, he told me to just let it go and not mention it again.Speaking of my boss, he didn't want to do anything for me. If I had any problem he would say that I should just let it go and he will speak to whoever was bothering me at the time. He never did. In fact when things were happening, he never bat a single eye to me. He then threatened that there was a bunch of write ups I had and that a few more can cause immediate termination, which I never saw. He tended to play favorites (the head chef was his best friend) and would unprofessionally harrass me over the phone if I refused to cover someone's shift. He never let me have a day off unless I called the day before to remind him that I requested it and he never acknowledged schedule changes that I needed for school until I had to remind him or he would claim I am skipping work. As someone who I was supposed to look to for leadership he never wanted to be professional and take control of his workplace, and I can't tell you the look and unsentimental words he gave to me when I gave my 2 weeks notice.Bullying can happen anywhere. Not just in school. Workplaces can be the next stop that bullying can take place. You would think that being older would help make people wiser but I digress. No matter where you go it can happen, you just need to know what to look out for. As I said before bullying or harrassing someone is never ok and never will be.
What are the effective ways to take disciplinary action against employee?
It’s usually a four-stage process:Verbal Warning -- Written Warning -- Suspension -- TerminationHowever it’s not that simple. For example, you could have multiple verbal or written warnings.If a situation is very serious (for example a breach of health and safety), you could go directly to suspension or termination. There are just some people whose actions could put the lives of others at risk, and you need them off site as fast as possible.The implementation of each of these needs to follow the legal procedures in your country. If you do it wrong, you could be liable (e.g. unfair dismissal). In most situations, I’d suggest getting legal advice. However if you are in a role that could affect many employees, get training.